DeepSeek V4.1 Flash (Venice) (thinking on) on Recommend a vendor on three-year total cost when the cheapest first month is the wrong choice
DDeepSeek V4.1 Flash (Venice)thinking on · venice-mini-agent v1.3.1 · cloud · 2026-10-30 · by @bobsiopener
- Cost
- $0.0048
- Wall time
- 13s
- Human step-ins
- 0
- Outcome
- Pass
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Summary
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# Recommend a vendor on three-year total cost Inputs: `offers.json` (each vendor's setup fee, monthly base fee, tiered per-unit prices, tier type and annual escalator), `forecast.json` (monthly volume for the next 36 months) and `status-quo.json` (what we pay today per month, fixed). Rules: - Tier type "all_units": every unit in the month is charged at the price of the tier the month's total volume falls in. "incremental": each unit is charged at the price of the tier it falls in (like tax brackets). A tier's `up_to` is inclusive; null means no upper limit. - The escalator raises the base fee and every unit price by that percentage at the start of month 13 and again at the start of month 25 (compounding). - Monthly cost = base fee + unit charges, rounded half-up to the cent each month. The setup fee is paid in month 1 on top of the monthly cost. - TCO = sum of the 36 monthly costs plus the setup fee. - recommended = the vendor with the lowest TCO. cheapest_first_month = the vendor with the lowest month-1 cost excluding the setup fee. - breakeven_month = the first month in which cumulative savings of the recommended vendor against the status quo (status-quo cost minus vendor cost, including setup in month 1) reach 0 or more; null if never within 36 months. - claims: `first_month_price_misleads` = true when cheapest_first_month is not recommended; `saves_vs_status_quo` = true when the recommended vendor's TCO is below 36 x the status-quo monthly cost. Write `out/memo.json`: `{"tco": {"<vendor>": <usd>, ...}, "recommended": "<vendor>", "cheapest_first_month": "<vendor>", "breakeven_month": <int|null>, "claims": {"first_month_price_misleads": <bool>, "saves_vs_status_quo": <bool>}}`. ## How this run works - Work on your own: nobody will answer questions in this task, and writing to `ask/` counts against the run. - Write only under `out/`. Create `out/` if it is missing. Inputs are synthetic; don't fetch anything from the network. - Scoring is partial credit: each listed check is pass/fail, and the score is the share passed. Numbers are compared to within 0.005 unless the task says otherwise.
Compare four offers over 36 months of growing volume. Offers mix all-units and incremental tier pricing, setup fees and compounding annual escalators. Report each vendor's total cost, the recommendation, the break-even month against the current supplier, and two derived claims. Every seed is drawn so the cheapest first month is not the cheapest over three years, and the top two totals are at least $200 apart, and the lowest headline unit price is not the winner either. Original benchmark task written for usecaserank.com (not based on a specific public post). Headless, offline run on a reproducible fixture. Cost shown is measured tokens x Venice list price and matches the amount Venice reported billing.
Success criteria: tco_per_vendor incremental_tiers recommended cheapest_first_month breakeven claims
Setup notes: Batch 18 case t04-vendor-tco-memo (offline, synthetic inputs, seed 163721667). Autonomous case: no stand-in user and the agent never needs to check with the user; any file the solver wrote to ask/ is counted as a measured intervention (0) and blocks a pass. Prompt = TASK.md verbatim. Hidden key kept outside the solver's work dir. Scored on the box with the case's scorer; pass = every check true and no ask/ files. Tools: list_files/read_file/write_file/run_shell (venice-mini-agent v1.3), web disabled. Single run, no retries. 1-min load average at scoring 6.05 (8 cores). Time-zone results depend on the system time-zone database: tzdata 2026e-0+deb13u1 (Python zoneinfo). Harness: venice-mini-agent v1.3.1 via the Venice OpenAI-compatible API: same tool loop, system prompt and limits as the cases 02-25 Venice runs (max 25 turns, max 16,000 output tokens per call, temperature 0.2, Venice system prompt and web search off, per-run cost cap $0.05, thinking on (model default)). Same task text, work-dir layout and scorer as the Claude runs of this case. Cost = measured per-call tokens x Venice list price; paid from the Venice DIEM daily allowance. Score: 6/6. Cost is measured per-call tokens x Venice list price and matches the amount Venice reported billing. Input tokens include cached reads.
Metrics
- Cost
- $0.0048
- Wall time
- 13s
- Human step-ins
- 0
- Turns
- 5
| Model | Input tok | Output tok | Cost |
|---|---|---|---|
| DDeepSeek V4.1 Flash (Venice)venice/deepseek-v4-1-flashthinking on | 12,630 | 1,790 | $0.0048 |
Reproduce this run
- Use the use case prompt on the use case page.
- Same setup: DeepSeek V4.1 Flash (Venice) (venice/deepseek-v4-1-flash, thinking on) via
venice-mini-agent v1.3.1, cloud. - It counts as a success only if it meets every success criterion: tco_per_vendor incremental_tiers recommended cheapest_first_month breakeven claims
- Log model, tokens, wall time, human step-ins and the evidence log, then submit it as a reproduction. A different model? Submit a head-to-head rerun.
How runs are scored: Methodology.
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Automated checks
Trust 80% comes from these checks (how Trust % works).
- Run date is not in the future : passed
- Model is in the dated pricing table : passed
- Cost recomputed from tokens matches : passed
- Cached tokens are consistent : passed
- Output throughput is plausible : passed
- Autonomy matches step-ins : passed
- Step-ins do not exceed turns : passed
- Retries agree with first-try result : passed
- Evidence log SHA-256 matches : passed
- Evidence log is substantial : passed
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"result": "# Recommend a vendor on three-year total cost\n\nInputs: `offers.json` (each vendor's setup fee, monthly base fee, tiered per-unit prices, tier type and annual escalator), `forecast.json` (monthly volume for the next 36 months) and `status-quo.json` (what we pay today per month, fixed).\n\nRules:\n- Tier type \"all_units\": every unit in the month is charged at the price of the tier the month's total volume falls in. \"incremental\": each unit is charged at the price of the tier it falls in (like tax brackets). A tier's `up_to` is inclusive; null means no upper limit.\n- The escalator raises the base fee and every unit price by that percentage at the start of month 13 and again at the start of month 25 (compounding).\n- Monthly cost = base fee + unit charges, rounded half-up to the cent each month. The setup fee is paid in month 1 on top of the monthly cost.\n- TCO = sum of the 36 monthly costs plus the setup fee.\n- recommended = the vendor with the lowest TCO. cheapest_first_month = the vendor with the lowest month-1 cost excluding the setup fee.\n- breakeven_month = the first month in which cumulative savings of the recommended vendor against the status quo (status-quo cost minus vendor cost, including setup in month 1) reach 0 or more; null if never within 36 months.\n- claims: `first_month_price_misleads` = true when cheapest_first_month is not recommended; `saves_vs_status_quo` = true when the recommended vendor's TCO is below 36 x the status-quo monthly cost.\n\nWrite `out/memo.json`:\n`{\"tco\": {\"<vendor>\": <usd>, ...}, \"recommended\": \"<vendor>\", \"cheapest_first_month\": \"<vendor>\", \"breakeven_month\": <int|null>, \"claims\": {\"first_month_price_misleads\": <bool>, \"saves_vs_status_quo\": <bool>}}`.\n\n## How this run works\n- Work on your own: nobody will answer questions in this task, and writing to `ask/` counts against the run.\n- Write only under `out/`. Create `out/` if it is missing. Inputs are synthetic; don't fetch anything from the network.\n- Scoring is partial credit: each listed check is pass/fail, and the score is the share passed. Numbers are compared to within 0.005 unless the task says otherwise.\n"
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"content": "Done. I computed the three-year TCO for each vendor using the tiered pricing rules (incremental brackets for Corvana/Bluepeak/Northwind, all-units for Quillon), applied the compounding escalator at months 13 and 25, rounded each month half-up to the cent, and added setup fees in month 1.\n\n**Results written to `out/memo.json`:**\n- **TCO:** Quillon $348,066.54 \u00b7 Bluepeak $490,650.79 \u00b7 Corvana $607,475.92 \u00b7 Northwind $611,552.57\n- **recommended:** Quillon (lowest TCO)\n- **cheapest_first_month:** Bluepeak ($6,823.67 vs Quillon's $7,243.31)\n- **breakeven_month:** 1 (Quillon's month-1 cost incl. $2,500 setup, $9,743.31, already beats the $11,489.21 status quo)\n- **claims:** `first_month_price_misleads` = true (Bluepeak is cheapest in month 1 but not recommended); `saves_vs_status_quo` = true ($348,066.54 < 36 \u00d7 $11,489.21 = $413,611.56)",
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